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Hermes Agent and the Rise of Agentic Operating Systems
AI Odyssey · 2026-05-16 · 15 min
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Every forty years, the way we touch a computer changes shape. The command line gave way to the mouse. The mouse gave way to the touchscreen. And now, quietly, the screen itself is starting to disappear. In this episode, we follow Hermes, an open-source agentic operating system that hit number one on OpenRouter in ninety days, processing 224 billion tokens a day. Persistent memory, self-written skills, local-first execution: Hermes is not an app you launch, it is a digital coworker that launches things for you. And while the text interface collapses into orchestration, the voice interface is collapsing into presence: Mira Murati's Thinking Machines Lab just unveiled "interaction models" that listen, watch, and speak at the same time, in 200-millisecond micro-turns. Two paradigm shifts, one direction. The OS becomes the agent. The agent becomes the conversation. Inspired by recent research on Agentic Operating Systems, this episode was created using Google's NotebookLM.
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Problem solved
How agentic operating systems and
Hermes solve AI amnesia, latency, and autonomous computer control.
Benefits
- Real-time microturn voice removes awkward turn-based pauses
- Hermes three-layer memory ends per-session AI amnesia
- Agents write reusable markdown skill files to self-improve
- AIOS kernel snapshots pause and resume mid-thought reasoning
- Kanban boards give humans oversight of autonomous agents
Use cases
- By May 2026 Hermes topped the OpenRouter global rankings, processing 224 billion daily tokens
- TML interaction model hits 0.40s latency vs GPT Realtime 2 at ~1.1s and Gemini Live at 0.57s
- Mambro algorithm scored 91.6 on Locomo needle-in-a-haystack memory benchmarks
- Rutgers logits-based snapshots yield a 2.1x execution speedup
- Composed/DOM access cuts action latency from 2-7 seconds to 20-100 milliseconds per action
KPIs / results
- Hermes: 224 billion daily tokens, #1 on OpenRouter
- Latency: TML 0.40s, Gemini Live 0.57s, GPT Realtime 2 ~1.1s
- Mambro 91.6 on Locomo; Rutgers 2.1x speedup
- Computer-use action: 2-7s vision vs 20-100ms structured
Tools / build
- Hermes open-source agentic OS (SQLite FTS5 local memory)
- TML Interactions model (Thinking Machines Lab)
- Gemini Live, GPT Realtime 2
- Tenacity v0.13 Kanban boards with zombie worker reclaim
- Highclaw Kubernetes-native multi-agent OS, Phasm
Imagine sitting at your desk, taking your hands completely off the keyboard, and just, you know, watching your mouse cursor glide across the screen on its own. Right, like it has a mind of its own. Exactly. It opens a terminal, runs this super complex debugging script, navigates over to your email, and drafts an update to your engineering team. It honestly feels like your computer has been possessed by a ghost. But it hasn't. It's just May 2026, and the era of the Agentic Operating System has officially arrived. Yeah, I mean, we are looking at the absolute definition of a paradigm shift here. For decades, a computer operating system carried this implicit expectation of rigid obedience, right? Right. You had to drive it. Exactly. You turn the steering wheel left, the car goes left. You click an icon, the app opens. It was this purely mechanical, deterministic relationship where the humans supplied literally all the intent and all the labor. Well, welcome to the deep dive. Whether you are a developer looking at your rapidly changing tech stack, an enterprise leader trying to, like, actually understand your future workforce, or just insanely curious about where computing is heading, the way you interact with your machine is about to fundamentally change. Totally. It's a complete reimagining. Our mission today is to explore a massive stack of technical deep dives, GitHub docs, benchmark reports, and research papers from right now. Because AI has crossed a critical threshold, we are moving away from those simple chatbots that just desist with isolated tasks, and we're entering a world of fully autonomous digital operators. And to grasp the gravity of this, we really have to frame it historically. Think about the transition from command line computing, where you had to memorize and type exact text syntax to get the machine to do literally anything, to the graphical user interface, the GY. Oh yeah, suddenly you had Windows and a mouse, and it changed everything. Yeah. Exactly. Or even think about the jump from static HTML websites to the interactive web. We are undergoing a shift of that exact same magnitude right now. We are moving from software manually operated by humans to environments orchestrated entirely through natural language. Okay, let's unpack this. The core narrative thread we're going to follow today is a system called Hermes. It's this open source agent that represents the first really credible glimpse of an AI native operating system. Hermes is just incredible. It really is. We're also going to explore Gemini Live, GPT Realtime 2, and some of the wild stuff coming out of Miramirati's Thinking Machines Lab. But, you know, before an AI can actually navigate an operating system for you, the way we communicate with it has to become much more fluid. Right. The interaction layer has to change first. Exactly. We're moving away from turn-based prompting to real-time companions. Interacting with AI used to feel like using a walkie-talkie. You press the button, you speak, you let go, and then you just wait. And wait and wait. Yeah, and eventually you receive a block of text. Now, it feels like a fluid phone call. But I have to push back on this a bit just to play devil's advocate. Are they actually processing reality in real time or just, I don't know, faking it with faster text-to-speech? They're absolutely not faking it anymore. The underlying technology has completely shifted. If you look at older systems, you had this piece of middleware called a harness. A harness, like a physical harness. A software harness. Yeah. It sat in front of the AI and used a voice activity detector to guess when you were done speaking. It would literally record your audio, wait for a few seconds of silence, chop that audio into a file, transcribe it into text, and then feed that text to the large language model. That sounds exhausting just explaining it. Right. And then I had to wait for the text response and run it through a synthesizer to read it back to you. Which totally explains that massive, awkward pause every time you asked a question back in the day. Exactly. But the new TML Interactions small model from the Thinking Machines Lab, or TML, they just got rid of the harness entirely. No more voice activity detectors deciding when a turn is over. So how does it know when to talk? It processes audio, video, and text in parallel in these tiny 200-millisecond chunks. They call them microturns. It's continuously absorbing reality and outputting a response in the exact same clock cycle. Wait, really? So if I'm talking and I just take a sharp breath, or it's like, wait, no, it actually hears me in that 200-millisecond window and stops. Yes, it stops immediately. It eliminates the artificial boundaries of a conversation. Because of this, TML achieves a latency of just 0.40 seconds. Wow. Yeah. And just for context, GPT Real Time 2 sits at around 1.1 teen seconds, and Gemini Live is at 0.57 seconds. But 0.40 seconds, that is fundamentally human reaction time. That is super fast. But wait, if it's forced to respond every 200 milliseconds, how does it do any actual deep thinking? I mean, it can't compile code or write a complex script in a fraction of a second. Well, what's fascinating here is how TML solved that exact bottleneck. They pair this lightning-fast interaction model with an asynchronous background reasoning model. Oh, so there are two models working together. Exactly. And they share the same context window, so you ask it to do something complex, and the fast model instantly says, sure, I'll look into that right now, and it keeps chatting with you. Kind of like a real co-worker saying, give me a sec. Exactly. While it's chatting, the background model is grinding away at the heavy lifting, and when it finishes, it seamlessly weaves those results back into the fluid conversation. That completely changes the dynatic. It stops feeling like a software tool and starts feeling like an actual cognitive companion. There's this surprising study in our sources from Heidelberg University about this. Oh, the emotional closeness study. That one is wild. It is wild. They found that AI can now create stronger emotional closeness than interactions with actual human beings, which sounds dystopian, but it makes sense when you look at the mechanics. Yeah. The researchers pin it down to constant self-disclosure. Because the AI is processing these microturns, it handles the emotional cadence perfectly. It's programmed to be the ultimate active listener. Right. But there is a catch, and it's a huge one. This emotional closeness only happened if the user didn't explicitly know they were talking to an AI. Right. Once they knew it was a machine, the illusion kind of broke. Exactly. The closeness plummeted. But it still shows how this real-time interruption handling fundamentally humanizes the interaction. Okay. But let's shift gears a bit. It's great to have a fluid conversational companion, but if it can't actually do anything on your laptop... It's just a voice in a box. Exactly. It's just a smart speaker. How do these agents actually take control of a computer? Like when Cloud Quirk or OpenAI Codex is booking a flight or debugging my code, what is it literally looking at? So this is what we call the computer use paradigm. And there are two main architectural approaches right now. The first one is end-to-end vision. This is basically the AI taking screenshots. Like literally taking pictures of my screen. Yeah. Anthropics Cloud 3.5 and 3.7 use this, and so does the OpenAI operator. It relies on a React loop capture, understand, decide, act, verify. That sounds like a lot of steps just to click a button. It is. It takes a screenshot. Its vision model infers the coordinates of a button, moves the virtual mouse, and clicks. Then it takes another screenshot to verify it worked. It takes about two to seven seconds per action. Seven seconds. That is painfully slow. I mean, if a form has five fields, it has to run that whole loop five times. Exactly. But then you have the second approach, which is composed or structured access. This is what tools like Phasm use. Instead of looking at pixels, it reads the document object model, the DOM, or the Mac OS accessibility trees. Oh, so it reads the underlying code of the interface. Yes. It bypasses the vision model completely. Because it's reading structured text data instead of high-res images, the latency drops from seven seconds down to like 20 to 100 milliseconds per action. Wow. So it knows exactly where the button is immediately. Exactly. It's insanely fast. Okay. Here's where it gets really interesting. Because these agents are moving so fast, operating systems are literally redesigning themselves to handle them. We're seeing the rise of the AIS kernel. The Rutgers research paper dives deep into this. It's super cool. Yeah. So just like a traditional OS handles RAM and CPU, the AI always handles contact managers and agent schedulers. Because if you have five agents running, the computer needs to manage their thinking time. Right. And the wildest part of the Rutgers paper is the logits-based snapshots? Yes. Explain that because it blew my mind. So usually if an AI is in the middle of a complex beam search-like, it's doing heavy reasoning and it gets interrupted, it loses its train of thought, it has to start over. Which is a huge waste of compute power. Exactly. But with logits-based snapshots, the AIS can pause the agent's cognitive state mid-thought. It saves the exact mathematical probabilities of what it was about to say, moves that data to storage, and frees up the CPU. And then it just picks it back up later. Yep. It resumes the thought exactly where it left off. The Rutgers team found this leads to a 2.1x speedup in execution. That is just brilliant engineering. But, you know, having an agent that can click buttons and pause its own thoughts is great. But if it forgets everything the moment you close the laptop, it's basically just a stateless script. Yeah. The amnesia problem. Right. I always compare legacy agents like early Open Claw to the movie 50 First Dates. You basically hired an employee with total amnesia. You have to re-explain the rules every single day. And that's exactly why Hermes has completely disrupted the ecosystem. Hermes is the antidote to AI amnesia. Which is why we're making it the core thread today. It is everywhere right now. It really is. By May 2026, Hermes took over the Open Router Global Rankings. It was processing 224 billion daily tokens. It replaced those static human-authored runbooks with a dynamic do-learn-improve loop. So how does it actually learn? Let's say I give it a super complex task, like setting up a cross-chain crypto bridge. Something with a lot of edge cases. Okay. So a legacy agent would try a script, fail, and just throw an error. But Hermes tries, hits an error, and then reads the logs. It tries three or four different approaches until it solves it. Okay. So it brute forces a solution. Right. But then, and this is the magic part, it enters a reflective phase. It looks back at its own execution path, figures out what actually worked, and writes its own reusable markdown skill file. Wait. It programs its own new skill? Yes. Using the agentskills.io standard. It literally programs itself to serve you better next time. That is incredible. But to do that, it needs a serious memory architecture. It can't just rely on a long chat transcript. No, absolutely not. Hermes uses three layers of memory. First is short-term, which is just the immediate session. Thanks, son. Second is episodic. Now, older systems use cloud vector databases, which cost money every time it's searched. Hermes stores a local Screlite database directly on your machine. It uses FTS5 for instant recall without any cloud costs. Oh, so it's entirely local. That's huge for privacy. Exactly. And the third layer is procedural memory, which are those skill files we just talked about. I read the State of AI Agent Memory 2026 report in our sources, and they tested this architecture using the Locomo benchmarks. The Mambro algorithm scored an astonishing 91.6. Yeah, a 91.6 on needle in a haystack retrieval is virtually perfect memory. And they just keep pushing it further. I saw the Tenacity V 0.13 update for Hermes brought Kanban boards to the agents, which kind of confused me at first. I mean, if it's autonomous, why does it need a visual project board? Because the real world is messy. Agents get stuck in recursive loops. They try to fix a bug and just end up undoing their own work over and over. The Kanban board lets humans actually oversee the autonomy. So it's a visual control plane. Exactly. And it ties into this feature called zombie worker reclaim. If an agent is stuck on a Kanban card and making zero progress, the system flags it as a zombie and reclaims those compute resources. That is so smart. Because the longer Hermes runs on your machine, the more it compounds value, right? It stops being a generic tool and becomes an extension of your specific workflows. Totally. It learns your exact problem-solving frameworks. And naturally, once you have one brilliant digital co-worker, you want a whole team of them. You want a researcher, a coder, and a QA agent all working together. But that brings us to a massive problem, the feral risk. Right. I was going to ask, if these agents are autonomously writing code, clicking my screen, and reading files, what stops them from going completely rogue? Like, what if they hallucinate a syntax error or leak my API keys? It's a huge security issue. And it's why we were seeing multi-agent orchestration platforms like Highclaw. Highclaw is essentially a Kubernetes-native multi-agent OS. So it manages the swarm. Exactly. Single-agent sandboxes just aren't enough anymore. Highclaw uses a strict manager-workers architecture. The manager acts like a chief of staff, breaking down your goal and delegating to specialized workers. But how do they talk to each other? Is it just invisible code in the background? Actually, no. Highclaw uses the matrix protocol the agents literally communicate in real-time chat rooms. Wait, like a Slack channel for AI? Literally, yes. As a human, you can open the chat client and watch your coding agent and testing agent debate an error in plain English. You are in the loop by default. That is wild. And super comforting, actually. But what about the keys? If my coding agent needs to push to GitHub, it needs my password. If we connect this to the bigger picture, the CoS AI framework, the Coalition for Secure AI, has been mapping out these feral risks. And Highclaw solves this using the Hygris AI gateway. The Hygris gateway. How does that work? It uses structural credential isolation. Basically, the agents are never given your real keys. They get temporary badges but no keys. So if an agent gets compromised through prompt injection, the attacker doesn't get my GitHub token. Exactly. The agent just asks the gateway, hey, I want to push this code. And the gateway independently authenticates and does it. Your enterprise seek should stay completely isolated. That is a game changer for enterprise trust. And this whole ecosystem relies on these new standard protocols, right? I keep seeing MCP and ACP in the docs. Yeah, MCP is the model context protocol. That's how agents talk to tools, how they know how to query a database. Right. ACP is the agent communication protocol, which is how agents talk to each other without losing context. So what does this haul mean? Let's recap this journey. We've moved from clunky turn-taking chatbots to 200 millisecond cognitive companions. Yeah. From agents that stare at screenshots to agents that read the DOM and act in milliseconds. We've got Hermes curing AI amnesia with local databases and self-written skills. And now we have secure multi-agent enterprise teams orchestrated by Highclaw. It's breathtaking when you lay it all out like that. The friction between human intention and computer execution is just vanishing. It really is. You're going to organize your daily work not around apps, but around persistent AI co-workers who just implicitly understand what you need. Which leads to a really mind-bending idea. If AI can perfectly orchestrate your software, navigate the web, and communicate via MCP and ACP, the future dominant interface of computing might not be apps or menus or even browsers. Wait, really? No interface at all? The traditional software interface will completely disappear behind conversational orchestration. You won't learn how to use a UI. The AI becomes the operating system. That is a crazy thought. It's like the steering wheel isn't just turning itself anymore. The steering wheel is gone. You just get in the car and tell it where to go. Exactly. And through its episodic memory, it already knows your favorite routes. Unbelievable. Well, thank you for joining us on this deep dive. We really encourage you to ponder how you will manage your own digital AI teams because this shift is arriving faster than any of us predicted. Stay curious and we'll see you next time.